WASHINGTON -- On Wednesday, US ambassador to the European Union Gordon D. Sondland published an explosive testimony at the latest round of impeachment hearings at the House Intelligence Committee.
华盛顿——周三，美国驻欧盟大使戈登·D·桑德兰(Gordon D. Sondland)在众议院情报委员会(House Intelligence Committee)最新一轮的弹劾调查听证会上发表了爆炸性证词。
In the opening remarks, Sunderland directly mentioned that members of the Trump government, including President Trump himself, participated in the pressure on Ukraine and asked for an investigation into Trump's political opponents. The following are some of the key points of Sunderland's testimony.
Sunderland: "We have followed the president's orders."
Opening remarks Page 4: Under the clear direction of the President of the United States, Minister Perry, Ambassador Volcker and I collaborated with Rudy Giuliani on the Ukrainian issue. We don't want to work with Giuliani. Simply put, we can only act on the plane. We all understand that if we refuse to cooperate with Giuliani, we will lose a very important opportunity to consolidate the relationship between the United States and Ukraine. So we listened to the president’s order.
Sunderland told the committee that Trump issued instructions to pressure Ukraine, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo signed the agreement, Vice President Mike Pence was told that Ukrainian military assistance There is a clear link between the investigation that the President hopes. He confirmed that Trump and the Ukrainian president had a "clear exchange condition" at the White House meeting.
桑德兰告诉委员会，特朗普发出了向乌克兰施压的指示，且有国务卿迈克·庞皮欧(Mike Pompeo)签字同意，副总统迈克·彭斯(Mike Pence)被告知，乌克兰的军事援助与总统希望的调查之间存在明显的联系。他证实，特朗普和乌克兰总统在白宫的会面有着“明确的交换条件”。
Sunderland said Trump's priority is that Ukraine must announce that they will launch an investigation.
Democrat lawyer Daniel S. Goldman asked: "At this time, in Giuliani, you know that in order to get a chance to meet at the White House - you want President Zelensky to get this meeting, President Zelensky is also eager to get this meeting - Ukraine will have to start these two investigations. Is it?"
民主党律师丹尼尔·S·古德曼(Daniel S. Goldman)提问：“这时候，在朱利安尼而言，你知道为了得到白宫会面的机会——你希望泽伦斯基总统得到这次会见，泽伦斯基总统也迫切希望得到这次会见——乌克兰将不得不启动这两个调查。对吗？”
A: "Well, they have to announce that they want to do this."
Q: "Okay. Because Giuliani and President Trump don't really care if they really do, right?"
A: "Mr. Goodman, I have never heard anyone say that the investigation must begin or must be completed. The only thing I heard from Giuliani or other parties is that Ukraine must declare it in some form, and This form has been changing."
Sunderland explained to the Democratic Party’s chief legal counsel that Trump’s request to Ukraine first appeared to be an investigation into his opponent, rather than completing an actual investigation. As far as Trump is concerned, Ukraine announced that it is investigating the fathers and sons of Biden. As part of the Zelensky anti-corruption agenda, such destructiveness may be large enough.
“Everyone knows”: Sunderland condemns senior government officials.
Sunderland told parliamentarians about his interactions with senior government officials who tried to keep a certain distance from the pressure. He mentioned Vice President Mike Burns, Secretary of State Mike Pompio and Presidential Acting Chief Mick Mulvaney, pulling them further into the Ukrainian foreign policy of Trump and Giuliani. Planned circles.
Opening Remarks Pages 14-15: In my State Department email, there is an email on July 19. The e-mail was sent to Secretary of State Pompio, Minister Perry, Brian McCormack, then Perry's chief of staff, and Executive Secretary of Pampio Secretary of State (Lisa) Kenner ([ Lisa] Kenna), Malwani's chief of staff, and Rob Blair, senior adviser to Malwani. Many senior officials. Many senior officials. Here is the original words I made in that email:
开场陈词第14-15页：在我的国务院电子邮件中，有一封7月19日的邮件。这封邮件发给了庞皮欧国务卿、佩里部长、时任佩里部长幕僚长的布莱恩·麦考马克(Brian McCormack)、庞皮欧国务卿的执行秘书（丽莎·）肯纳([Lisa] Kenna)、马尔瓦尼幕僚长以及马尔瓦尼的高级顾问罗布·布莱尔(Rob Blair)。很多高级官员。很多高级官员。以下是我在那封邮件中的原话:
I just talked to Zelensky... He is ready to accept the president's call. He will assure the President that he intends to conduct a completely transparent investigation and will check it in a 'nothing' situation. If it can be before Sunday Call him, he will be very grateful, so he can announce this 'friendly and productive call' in the media before the Ukrainian election on Sunday (not to mention the details). White House chief of staff Mick Malwani replies : I have asked the National Security Council to prepare for tomorrow."
Everyone knows. This is not a secret. On July 19th, a few days before the President and Zelensky called, everyone was notified by email.
He also mentioned Trump's former national security adviser, John R. Bolton, who testified that Bolton called him before he visited Kiev at the end of August and asked for Giuliani's contact information. I am surprised by this.
他还提到了特朗普的前国家安全顾问约翰·R·博尔顿(John R. Bolton)，他作证说，博尔顿在8月底访问基辅之前打电话给他，要求提供朱利安尼的联系方式，他对此感到惊讶。
For the first time, Sunderland publicly described Trump’s “exchange conditions” for the survey he expected.
Sunderland told parliamentarians that Giuliani was asking for "exchange conditions" - let Zelensky go to the White House in exchange for a "public statement", announcing a widespread refutation that might be beneficial to Trump. The corruption statement was investigated.
Opening remarks Page 5: Giuliani asked Ukraine to issue a public statement announcing the investigation of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Giuliani expressed the wishes of the President of the United States, and we know that these investigations are important to the President.
His statement is different from other witnesses, saying that there is only one channel for Ukrainian foreign policy.
Opening remarks Pages 4-5: We make every effort to ensure that the relevant decision makers of the National Security Council and the State Department understand the important details of our work. The argument that we are engaged in some kind of irregular or unusual diplomatic activity is completely wrong. I have now confirmed some of the State Department's emails and information, which provided support for my point of view. These emails show that from May 23, 2019, to the date of the September 11th, 2019 security aid announcement, Ukrainian actions were informed to the US State Department, the National Security Council, and the White House leadership. I will quote some of this information later.
Page 6: Any claim that I am "forced" to intervene in Ukrainian relations in some way is wrong.
Contrary to the testimony of other witnesses, Sunderland denies the secret channel of operation under the cover of typical foreign policy instruments with Ukraine.